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Member's difficult case on community- please read and reply x

Discussion in 'Managing Emotions' started by Butterfly, Feb 13, 2012.

  1. Butterfly Senior Manager and Midwifery Survivor!

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    This lovely SMNET member and student, has experienced a difficult event in community and would like to post anonymously for support from her SMNET family.

    Please read and reply xx


    I'm hoping nobody sees me as being judgmental when I say this. I'm not judging them, I'm just not sure how I'm feeling at the moment and I don't really know what I'm thinking.

    An off duty police officer reported to a midwife on the postnatal ward that the man who was just leaving with his partner, and a baby, was a registered sex offender. Midwife got in contact with social services to see if this was true as there was nothing in the notes, only that he has supervised access to his other daughter. It was then discovered it was true. The man was charged with grooming a 13 year old girl and links to up to 40 others.


    My mentor had went in on Sunday and said that she left, shaking. She felt tense and there was an atmosphere. I tried not to think about it too much and focused on what we were doing.


    When we went inside, he was stood by the TV, staring down into the chair where a beautiful baby girl was sat. I introduced myself and started checking the baby over. My mentor told me to be looking out for signs that she was being hurt. I gave her to my mentor. She told me she was going to look at her vaginal area to check he hadn't been touching her. She slowly took her nappy off. My stomach was in my mouth at this point. I held my breath. There was nothing. She was perfectly healthy. I obtained the blood spot test, whilst my mentor chatted to the Mum and Dad.


    I noticed Dad's position in the room. He stood with his hands in his pockets at the closed door. He watched our every move, like a hawk. He was tall and he was big built. He was quite intimidating in appearance. But his mannerisms and character didn't reflect his stance. His eyes gave it away. He was distant, and it appeared like he wasn't in the room. When he was watching my mentor, it was like he was trying to read her mind. To see what she was thinking, feeling or if she knew. His voice was quiet. He mumbled a lot to us. They made little conversation. There was so much tension in the room. You could have cut it.


    What my main problem is, my mind is running away with me now. I can't stop thinking about if something bad happens. I know it probably won't but my mind is running away from me. I cried on my way home because I'm so worried that we might miss something. I'm also worried that I'm being judgmental. My mentor told me that I did do well and it wasn't apparent that I knew about his past. I can't help but think that because this man being a sex offender I may have treated him differently? That I've perceived his "normal" in a different way? That I'm assuming that he's going to hurt his child because he's an offender? Was I just being more aware?


    I really don't know what I'm thinking about today and all this. I'm crying writing this. I don't know what replies I'm expecting to get from this. A little reassurance? Some help in knowing I've done all I could?
  2. VivaLaVida Well-Known Member

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    I don't really have much that's constructive to say because I don't really have much experience to compare to, but I think you should be really proud of yourself for maintaining such a professional persona whilst you were there. I think many people would struggle with that but being able to deal with it is what makes you a good midwife/student. I think it's normal to worry about it though, I know I would.. Is there the opportunity to further debrief if you're still feeling worried about it all?

    Big hugs :bighug: xxx
  3. Wozza Moderator

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    I think you should be proud of the way you acted in such difficult circumstances. Anyone woukd be hard pushed not to feel some degree of judgement in this situation, but what separates you is whether you act on those thoughts. And you didn't, you remained professional. X

    I hope that you're able to talk to someone at uni, and that sharing your experience on here will help as well.

    Hugs xxxx
  4. Koalagrrry Well-Known Member

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    I can empathise, kind of as Ive had to maintain a professional approach within an educational setting with a family....well, a parent, whom we knew was in the process of being investigated for child abuse....and it turned out that child was most certainly being abused in an horrendous manner....and both parents were involved. And we had to let that child go home to that situation...which we were fairly certain was occuring at the time....and we could do nothing tostop it.....
    You may feel youd be responsible if somethjing happened but you did what you had to do- and admirably, by the sound of it. It will always be hard to steel yorself to deal with people like this man...but you will get through it, I know. This baby is on the radar,now- steps will be taken to try and safeguard her. But I do think you need to speak further with your mentor, who seems the approachable type, from your description. I think it would be useful for you to get clarification that protective measures are in place, or to find out what happens when she and mum are signed off from the CMW. A little peace of mind goes a long way- and we ALL need it.
    Feel no shame at needing to explore and discuss this- it is an exceptionally emotive subject and like neonatal death, is one that never fails to affect those working with families in this situation.

    For what its worth, have a hug on me. This stuff is heavy duty and sometimes, we need to get it out there. You did ever so well. XX
  5. iolaus Education Moderator

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    Its natural you are feeling this way - I'm assuming social services have been involved in this case and that they are investigating (if not then a referal needs to be made - if you are EVER in doubt then ring them (obviously as a student your mentor will do this) even without the sexual offender bit the only supervised access with his other child rings alarm bells

    There is a difference between a 13 year old and a baby (not saying either is right but there is a seperate term for someone who is interested in younger girls who have started to hit puberty) so I wouldn't necessarily be too immediately concerned for this baby.

    The other thing to bear in mind is we all do sometimes treat people differently because of what they've done, I remember once looking after a couple, was told he was a schedule 1 offender, had been charged with having sex with an underage girl - social services were involved but were happy for him and his wife to keep this baby (their second, eldest was about 3 and also lived with them) and I felt really weird about it - then found out afterwards the wife was the 'victim' when she was 14ish and he was 18 - they were still together, but he still had that label on him

    Others have had their child taken off them, and yes it is hard to not show the way you feel, and you do act slightly differently it's human nature

    Generally though if ever in doubt ring social services
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    I don't have much more to add, but just wanted to say that it looks like you handled it brilliantly hun. It must have been such an awful situation, so well done for being so professional about it x
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    Sounds like you did really well in the situation and acted really proffesionally. So well done to you.

    I think it's really important that you talk to your mentor/tutor about how you're feeling. Keeping your worries bottled up won't help you and they may well have been in similar situations before and be able to give you some advice/support and also information on what further steps will be taken to ensure the baby's safety.

    Lots of hugs xxx
  8. Lil Miss Sunshine Welfare Moderator

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    I'm not surprised you're feeling the way you do... i feel faint just reading about it. Nor do i think you're being judgemental, more like having normal feelings towards the protection of a child. At least social services are on alert and will be keeping an eye on the situation. I'm so sorry that i can't offer advice except to talk to the uni or your mentor about it. This is one thing that i haven't actually thought about in applying to do the course and become a midwife.
    I just hope social services are keeping a careful eye on him. And I know that i sound judgemental here but what mother in their right mind would let her child around a sex offender? I know we are not supposed to judge and i know everyone has reasons for things but if a mother can't or won't protect her child from being around a sex offender then hopefully social services will. Please no one feel that i'm being mean, i just feel very protective of kids as they're helpless.
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    It is not easy not to judge someone with his history. I felt sick reading your post.

    It sounds like you did a fab job hun and were very professional in a very difficult situation.

    Hugs xx
  10. chinamonkey Active Member

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    Trust me when i say I have seen much worse. I have seen women put their child through one foster carer after another as their boyfriend was abusing her child....but no...she wouldnt hear a word against him..these tend to mothers with such low self esteem and confidence that they believe that no other man would want them, that this man will be the best they can get and they cling to them....

    People seem to think that to make a judgement is a terrible thing. This is how humans assess situations, what feels right, what feels wrong, is there danger present, do you need to keep an eye on someone, how do you think that person will react...its a natural thing to do and these things should be encouraged - its gut instinct....treating someone a certain way in a discriminatory manner isnt a good thing.

    From reading what was put, i would assume that since the police were aware of the baby, a section 47 referral would have been made to Social Services and they would be aware of the situation - the supervised access shows that SS have been involved already.

    Sounds to me that this man is predatory but this may also come across as he may have been very sceptical as to your involvement and checking the baby - and may have been on the defensive - hence seeming intimidating.

    You sound like you handled it well.

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